Upon hearing about the advanced superiority of HE-AAC on TWiRT (This Week in Radio Tech) and in a conversation with RFBurns, who streams AAC+, I am exploring this interesting streaming format.
Upon hearing about the advanced superiority of HE-AAC on TWiRT (This Week in Radio Tech) and in a conversation with RFBurns, who streams AAC+, I am exploring this interesting streaming format.
Presently KDX streams using SAM Plugin for Winamp, which offers mp3 and mp3-PRO, with a mention that mp3-PRO is almost as good as AAC+, but none of my stuff actually achieves AAC+ streaming.
The only package I know of that offers AAC+ streaming is SAM Broadcaster, so I’ll probably get one.
But let me get to some questions.
EVERYBODY releases their radio programs and podcasts in mp3 format at the present time. So what would happen is that a lot of mp3 files would get sent over AAC+ stream. Is that good enough? Or, should we put as many shows as possible into AAC+ file format.
Will most listeners be able to hear an AAC+ stream, or will it remain necessary to keep an mp3 stream for some listeners?
What else would make a good question?
In the Ensuing Hours
Since asking that question I downloaded SAM Broadcaster for the 14-day free trial. In the documentation they recommend using mp3-PRO over AAC+, but there is now explanation of why it would be preferred.
I spent two hours trying to figure out the complexities of SAM Broadcaster, which seemed entirely designed for stations that schedule copyrighted pop records, and had little advantage for my talk station with public domain music.
Then I found Shoutcast had an encoder upgrade that provides AAC+ and it works side by side with SAM Winamp Plugin Encoder which provides the mp3-PRO they have recommended, and the happy result is that our prayers, though never actually said, have been answered anyway.
Sleep is on the agenda, and that puts us down around 4Hz brainwave, no license required.
SAM Can…with ALOT of hand
SAM is indeed mostly written for music formats, online real time voting and requesting nonsense. It is NOT a true automation program, much like all the others. Only real true automation program out there are the REAL ones you find in REAL stations…automation programs such as Maestro, a 9-13 grand program/hardware.
As to mp3-pro…you only need to look at Shoutcast’s own station directory and see for yourself just how little the number of stations use it…as well as other station directories too. Practically zilch.
Be careful for false ad campaigns…politicians use that tactic all the time…think a company wont do the same thing over a codec?
AAC+ is not a Shoutcast owned codec. Neither is mp3 OR mp3-pro for that matter. Mp3 was developed by Fraunhofer IIS, University of Hannover, AT&T-Bell Labs, Thomson-Brandt, CCETT and some other software compression outfits, but NOT Shoutcast!
Mp3-pro is an offshoot of mp3 written by Coding Technologies, a now defunct company since 2005. It is better than normal mp3, but most players, even though can play it, leave out the high frequency data unless the player has a special plug-in or written within the code of the player the proper decoding, which is 50/50 bet.
Go to this website..mp3-pro’s “home” http://www.mp3prozone.com/ and then click on the link where it says “everything to know about mp3-pro” and see what site you end up going to…Dolby’s HC-AAC page!!! Hmm…go figure!
AAC+ on the other hand, is fast becoming the new standard. And if it were not viable or worthy of anything, you would not be reading about it being used in the HD video format or HD DVD formats and delivery of media content to all the new i-mobile devices..which that too is fast becoming popular and exceeding the PC and laptop/wi-fi use.
Do a bit more research, trust me your gonna want to do just that before diving into a format that is not only outdated, but incredibly un-reliable and no longer supported. Just look at the codec’s last revision date!
As to using mp3….stick with it. Unless you want to do very high end podcasts or streaming IN STEREO and want people to actually HEAR the whole audio frequency bandwidth then go AAC+ and save some bandwidth on your ISP pipe. If your streaming at 128Kps 44.1Khz stereo or higher, stick with regular mp3. AAC+ streaming is meant for 56Kps and lower to get that 128Kps and higher bit rate sound.
As to the files, again..same thing. People running around with those iPod players are not listening to them through a nice set of NOVA-40 headphones, but rather those tiny little 1cm element earphones. Its like expecting a telephone receiver to reproduce the sound of a large set of Altec Lansing studio monitors!
As I stated in our interview, I have been streaming since 1996 beginning with Real Audio. Then moved to mp3 once it became available, then fiddled with mp3-pro to find more trouble than it was worth, went back to mp3, then later simply added AAC+ along with regular mp3 and there could not be any better combination to be the most compatible across the board with operating systems and players. Even WMP (Windows Media Player) and the WME (Windows Media Encoder) cant hold a stick to the combined efforts of mp3 and ACC+.
Compatibility and usage:
mp3-100%
AAC+-95 percent
mp3-pro-10%
That is the real world numbers.
RFB
Consulting Engineers
This website is so very helpful as we try to patch our stations together with some software, some hardware and some self-law-enforcement, that I tend to think of this as a wealth of consulting engineers.
“I checked with my consulting engineers, and they advise not using MP3PRO, but they speak highly of top hats.”
Help is but a post away!
Well if we help each other we all can save ourselves a lot of wasted time and avoid them headaches and frustrations! Why see fellow radio enthusiasts/engineers go through all that when you can save them time and energy so it can be devoted to doing what we all love to do….run our stations! 🙂
RFB
Since We’re Talking Streams
Since we’re talking streams, the SAMS Winamp Plugin has a WMA V9 streamer choice, with either “push” or “pull” capability. But what’s that for? Where does it show up out on the media yellow page listings? In other words, if you stream in WMA V9, where do people go to find it? Is it good?
Our ignorance is 100% on this subject, I’m just consulting.
well…
To be honest, Im not sure what WMA V9 is…
I assume windows media audio.
Most streams are now done with shoutcast or icecast.
(don’t ask me what the difference is, I have no clue)
I know the shoutcast streams are all listed at shoutcast.com
even The Little Crow is listed there.
Newer ShoutCast DSP plugin
Speaking of streaming, anyone else tried the latest ShoutCast DSP plugin with Zara? I downloaded their latest ShoutCast DSP plugin but it won’t work with Zara.
The latest version I’ve found that works with Zara is 1.9.0.
Regarding the AAC+, one website info video is saying to wait it out for a while as not to many web surfers are using it yet. So, you’ll reach a much larger audience if you stay with the MP3 format for now.
World Wide Wait
Regarding the AAC+, one website info video is saying to wait it out for a while as not to many web surfers are using it yet. So, you’ll reach a much larger audience if you stay with the MP3 format for now.
True but only to a point. Here is why.
Getting your stream listed on very popular media listings is like the highest performance of promotion you can have for your stream. For example…iTunes. The iTunes listing is the golden egg when it comes to station directories.
Now here is where the trick really comes in. Since iTunes requires you to have at least 300 slots on your stream server just to be listed, that 300 slot minimum must be met. Also since 95 percent of those looking at the iTunes station listings, are using imobile devices, which most are not going to be able to log in to a large bitrate stream. That is where the AAC format is obviously the way to go instead of mp3 and deliver that high quality audio.
My server statistics clearly show that over 90 percent of my online listeners are tuned in to the 24kps 44.1khz AAC+ stream, and most of them are coming in from the iTunes station directory.
So there is a teeter totter game you have to play here to keep it all in a balance so that you maximize the benefits from normal mp3 and AAC.
RFB
DSP and DNAS updates
Speaking of streaming, anyone else tried the latest ShoutCast DSP plugin with Zara? I downloaded their latest ShoutCast DSP plugin but it won’t work with Zara.
The latest version I’ve found that works with Zara is 1.9.0.
This issue is merely a matter for Zara to update their software to work with the newer DSP encoder and DNAS server programs. Eventually they will come out with an update (patch) to include the newer DSP and DNAS.
Also referencing the “v2” of Shoutcast, that is such a cluster mess right now it is highly recommended to stay away from it. That particular version merely allows you to run multiple stream channels off of one IP address with just one port instead of multiple servers with different port numbers. It also requires talking to a v2 directory server and that is not yet implemented on a wide scale basis. Last I heard, the v2 directory server “ICY” is still hosted on an individual’s private internet connection somewhere in the UK. Bleh!!!
RFB
Perhaps You Strike a Nerve
For several years our stream has run straight off our computer, with a 2-meg upload speed allowing about 80-listener slots, so we aren’t ready for Itunes, which I didn’t even realize was significant until you just said so. I also didn’t know we are open to hacks.
Out on our website there is plenty of server space, but how could I put the stream out there to run continuously from that server? Well, the Demand Radio and Archive mp3 files are out on the website server, but is there a way of putting the continuous stream out there and closing the ports here at the home computer?
Securing the homestead
is there a way of putting the continuous stream out there and closing the ports here at the home computer?
Yes. Simply contact your ISP and have them either A: install a DNAS program on the hosting server where your website is located and run that DNAS program from there. You then simply set your encoder to that server’s IP and lock down the fort.
A thing about upload speed. Unless your running a business connection, or a dedicated connection not shared with others on your tier, that 2 meg upload capacity is split up, which for streaming which requires a constant steady flow of data, will begin to break up when you fill up or perhaps even have half of your maximum slots filled.
Not to mention the load factor on your computer running the DNAS, as well as bandwidth usage on the LAN side (behind the router).
Another option B: Have a dedicated computer with the DNAS program (preferably Linux OS) and take that to the ISP and have them install it on their network, route it to your website IP and wala. Of course both of these options have a price..but perhaps a little bit of trade out may help relieve some of that utilizing the Part 15 side of things.
RFB
Try This with Zara
Hi MRAM
Using the new SC Encoder with Zara might work if you look at Output/Connection where you will see a checkbox labeled: Use Shoutcast V1 Mode (for legacy servers).
Just check the box.
That made my Winamp setup work with the older Shoutcast server type V 1.9.8
ALSO, although like RFB said, Shoutcast and Icecast are similar, they are different enough that for Icecast the learning curve is quite a bit steeper, and the Icecast documentation goes into some detail about why the two aren’t exactly the same.
Differences
Shoutcast and Icecast are similar, they are different enough that for Icecast the learning curve is quite a bit steeper
That is about the only real difference is between the two. One is simple, the other complex…why is really not important..what is important is what comes out the server feeding listening audience..which is in the end..the same streaming format…mp3.
Its like the SAM program, you can choose to run all its worthless complexity, or not use all that worthless complexity and use it as sort of a beefed up basic winamp playlist…which is exactly how I use it, along with a few external apps that allows it to twitter every program, display my station’s real time program schedule, current program playing and upcoming programs, facebook posting, and tagging just about every station directory out there.
RFB
Happy in WhoVille
I don’t look for Zara to update their older versions and the newer versions (=>1.6) don’t support plugins.
I don’t think the problem is the Legacy setting as the newer plugin won’t even load in Zara to allow configuring it as it crashes Zara. On the same PC the newer plugin works fine with WinAmp so it’s a Zara problem.
But, the 1.9.0 works fine for me even while working with the “overlapping files” problem. I have download links to the older ShoutCast DSP plugin and DNAS server on my MRAM webpage should someone else have the same problems.
I like the features of the Zara 1.6 and newer but the lack of plugins is problematic.
Zapping Zara
I just removed Zara from my computer because when I tested it it kept crashing, and just as with SAM Broadcaster, I couldn’t understand what it could do better (for me) than Winamp all by itself.
I am wondering if Winamp might improve as new plugins are designed, for example, here is a problem followed by an idea for a plugin:
Let’s say a string of mp3 files are running in Winamp, but at a certain time the playlist switches to a live incoming stream from a network. The network runs until it is interrupted manually. But a plugin maybe could be set to cut the live stream at a certain time and switch back to mp3 files. Time based commands shouldn’t be so hard for a programmer to write.
Knock On Wood…
Sorry to hear of your Zara troubles.
I have Zara running on 6 different PC’s using Win2K, XP Home and Professional edition, 3 at work and 3 at home.
They run 24/7 and rarely if ever crash. Two at work have never crashed.
Always Open to Retrial
It is entirely possible that I might get around to testing Zara again. I am not too dogmatic about anything.
But I have found a problem with the new Shoutcast Encoder V2. Whereas yesterday when I installed it along with SAM Encoder Plugin, it worked right away and right up to shut-down at midnight, this morning when I turned on, Winamp crashed everytime I turned it on, so I removed Shoutcast Encoder V2 and then Winamp started. After that I reinstalled Shoutcast Encoder V2 and it’s been running all day just fine. I hope I don’t have to go through that every day.
SAM and PAL scripts
Let’s say a string of mp3 files are running in Winamp, but at a certain time the playlist switches to a live incoming stream from a network. The network runs until it is interrupted manually. But a plugin maybe could be set to cut the live stream at a certain time and switch back to mp3 files. Time based commands shouldn’t be so hard for a programmer to write.
SAM can do this via a PAL script, entered into the event scheduler. However even this has a flaw.
Actually there are two flaws, one being inherent to SAM while the other is within the PAL script.
Anyway, the PAL script is written so that the file entry (mp3) or pls file containing a stream feed address loads into the queue block. When the program before it ends, SAM loads the next entry in the queue block. Since it is a PAL scripted entry, SAM reads the PAL script and begins the file or stream in one of the decks. Ok sounds great….no biggie here..however the flaw is that SAM will not know when that live feed ends, thus you have to tell SAM via the PAL script how long to remain on that live feed. Given the natural delay with streaming, and that can be anywhere from 20 seconds to well over a minute, you have to have a “close” best guess time interval for that live feed to run, then the PAL script dumps the live feed based on the time interval you set, and tells SAM to load the next entry in the queue.
Now if SAM had the ability to read net cue closures or even sub audio net cue tones..as I talked about in another thread how Maestro does exactly that, then SAM CAN accurately go to a live feed, run it, then come out of it at the right moment and start the next thing in the queue.
So with that…who knows if your live feed will be chopped off at the tail, or go long and air the whatever next program is on that live feed, or not stay with the live feed because the program you do want to air is running overtime.
As I was saying earlier, SAM is not a true automation program, but is FAR better than just a simple player running things on a play list. It does have its pluses, but also a lot of negatives as well. It is just a matter of what you want it to do and always remember that it has serious limitations as far as true automation goes.
I never ran Zara but I have examined it and found it is no better than SAM in my opinion. After working with real automation programs costing well up into 10 grand plus, there really is no cheap way to get true automation for flea power operations. SAM was expected to sort of fill the gap between very low/no budget operations and real automation..but it falls incredibly short of that expectation. SAM’s inherent problem is that it does not run in sync with the real clock. Also as far as the PAL scripts, might as well be a software engineer because you will be spending a lot of time testing scripts than running your station.
RFB
Ports in Use
Curious about the open ports being a doorway for hackers…
Some ports always exist, for e-mail and other normal functions, so those ports are open. Are normally open ports a security risk?
If Winamp streaming is using, say, 8000 & 8001, are those ports vulnerable even when they’re being used for streaming?
Some game programs open certain known ports. Isn’t that the same situation?
I guess my overall question is, are some ports more un-secure than others?
The Easy Way to Use SAM
I have found another method of using SAM that makes the program way-more user friendly. The solution is not inherent to the SAM program, instead it is a program that works with SAM to produce a commercial-like sound hour for very little investment (it’s not free, you get what you pay for).
Because SAM operates from either an .m3u or .pls file, any program that can compile a list of sources and content files can develop a playlist to be played by SAM. One such program I have used is “Music1”. This program compiles the playlist and then loads it into the play cue of SAM to play at the specified times. Some versions of the program can be slaved to the computer clock.
Steve warren, San Marcos, Texas, is one of the developers and is a great resource when trying to resolve automation challenges.
Music1 works with a variety of automation and online broadcast server programs. It can program music and non-music events, go from live to auto and back, plus a lot of other features I’m sure I have forgotten about. Check it out. It ‘s just another silver bullet in the belt.
http://www.gomusic1.com
Music1 Now in the Showroom
Thank you Marshall for the tip on Music1. Later I will watch their video introduction and study the product in detail. But I’ll ask one question before doing that homework:
Since Winamp uses .m3u and .pls files would you estimate that Music1 could be of service simply with Winamp? Or, is it advised to combine Music1 with SAM Broadcaster.
Watch the videos…
The functionality of Music1 is based on commercial automation programs. Winamp is only a player. It will work with a list compiled by Music1, but the other features will not (that I know of) work. Once you see the various videos, it should be self explanatory. Music1 also works (special version) with Live365. Take a look at the various automation programs this program interfaces with. Music1 produced software patches for each auto program.
Music 1
Nice program….still lacks the function of precise net cue triggering for live feeds. Only way to have that is for this or other automation programs is to be able to be triggered for the next event externally from the program itself from the source.
Just having a thing that has pre-set time lengths programmed into it does not mean it will go in or come out of a program correctly….something is gonna end up getting cut off, or not be kept on air due to over-run or overtime. There is a difference between these forms of automation.
Still a good program for some basic automation stuff….like SAM…this thing just seems compressed down into a single window where as SAM has independent windows for just about everything it has within the program, which all are user selectable to display or not.
Price is…ehh a bit steep for its abilities. Not bad though. But honestly it could have a bit more capability for precise triggering especially for live feeds..something that has yet to be found in any low budget automation program..and most likely will never be. Maestro and other real automation programs and systems are the only place you will find that.
RFB
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Maestro
Is “Maestro” still available after the sale of Scott Studios?
Maestro
Maestro is now owned by a company called WideOrbit, which is still providing the support for earlier versions…mostly operational and software support. The hardware pretty much has been absorbed which means no original replacements available and stations still using previous hardware will have to piece together whatever works. Fortunately the software runs on XP Pro…well it is sort of fortunate considering it will not be much longer until Microsoft no longer supports XP Pro. The earlier software versions will not work at all on Vista or Win7 platforms.
The worst part really is the ACP server. It relies on a very large RAID array, specifically built for it. I have not had one go bad…yet. But if it does, I do not know if there would be a suitable sub since the communication protocols go across this unusual proprietary interface between the ACP mainframe and the RAID drive’s controller.
The ACP server is where everything is stored, media, program logs, traffic information, network configurations, license keys and configurations if the ACP system talks to other Maestro systems co-located elsewhere. This is how the 5 stations I mentioned about communicate with the other 7 in the bunch. Commercial media and program logs are transferred across a VPN based communication as well as all traffic reports.
There are provisions in each Maestro unit themselves that can operate if the ACP system is down, but it is very limited and cannot hold all of the media content. The system uses the .DAF audio file format and they are slightly larger than a typical .WAV file format. Although the Maestro can work with MP3, they have to be equipped with the proper codecs to do so, so if the station/s Maestro systems are not configured with those extra codecs, its .WAV all the way, then converted over to its .DAF for use. Traffic data and program logs are also limited and usually have to be manually loaded either with flash sticks or on discs and reports pulled in the same manner.
FUN!! 😀
RFB
Good Luck…
Good luck on keeping the dinosaur breathing for as long as you can. There is nothing at Wide Orbit that is cheap or even affordable to most, if not all, Part 15 operators. I worked with Scott Studios when they first started many years ago. I have also worked some with Wide Orbit (personal preference: I would rather work with Scott).
So what would you recommend for the person who wants to upgrade from SAM4 to something else and stay around $500?
It needs to be able to join outside sources automatically and hit top of the hour events. Obviously, there would need to be an external switcher involved.
Upgrading
Well according to the fine folks over at Spacial Audio, SAM 5 is “supposed” to include com port and USB communications for external switchers. A suggestion I submitted to them back in 08 after purchasing my SAM 4.3.6.
As to if that will actually become a reality…..I have no idea. But I am sure when SAM 5 does hit the arena…the price tag will no doubt hit 500 from its current 300 tag.
I also suggested they code into the program so that the decks will sync with the real time clock and automatically adjust long duration program files to “fit” in allotted time…considering they coded in tempo and pitch functions into the player decks..the thing could at least slowly adjust the program over its 1, 2 or 3 hour duration and not be noticed. Also incorporate the ability to fill in with 1 and 3 second “silence fillers”. But the biggest thing is to have the program synchronized with the time clock! Its real nice to watch the ETA times in the queue shift by as much as 5 seconds back and forth across a 4 hour period! Talk about an out of lock PLL eh?!!!
Ya the old Maestro is hanging in there. Not sure what I will do when it finally calls it quits. The license key in it is good for the next 30,000 days so no big deal there. I have the original install CD’s and XP Pro install disc as well. It will just be a matter of finding hardware that the OS and program itself can work with when this hardware takes that final step into oblivion. In the meantime it is highly protected with a fat UPS and a mains isolation transformer I salvaged from my now closed consumer electronic repair shop.
RFB
Beneficial Thread
During the course of this thread, which began for me when I learned of the rising importance of AAC+ combined with a curiosity about SAM Broadcaster which offers AAC+ as one of its features, I discovered a new Shoutcast Encoder (V2) which immediately put my Winamp playlist streaming in AAC+. What we wanted.
BUT, everyday at bootup Winamp crashes until Shoutcast Encoder V2 is uninstalled and reinstalled. No other combination of tricks seems to solve this annoying situation.
Itunes Radio?
Arrived at iTunes to tour the radio directory to see who the major leaguers are and couldn’t find an iTunes radio directory. They had TV and podcasts, but I found nothing to do with streaming radio.
Earlier RFB named iTunes as the important place to be listed, requiring slots on one’s own stream for minimum 300 listeners, but not able to locate that directory.
On a related note, if I get the Shoutcast DNAS Server on my website, which I can do, why can’t I get it to run by myself in some way?
iTunes listing
It requires an app, it is not a typical website stream directory, it is mostly for mobile devices.
But here is the link: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/radio/id294952511?mt=8 for one such app.
On a related note, if I get the Shoutcast DNAS Server on my website, which I can do, why can’t I get it to run by myself in some way?
You can if you go through your cpannel, if your host has that interface, and run an API script. This will give you ability to restart it if necessary. But why would you need to? If the host needs to reboot the server for whatever reason, that too will get restarted. You just have to make sure the DNAS program is executed (started). That can be done via simple server configuration…just like the start up in windows when your machine boots up.
RFB
Revolving Crashes
You sure you still don’t want to try that other I mentioned about in email???
The v2 of that DSP plug in is buggy…it is not a finalized version and as I explained before…the entire v2 of Shoutcast is still in its development stage by a skeleton crew of volunteers. This is why 1.9.0 remains dominant.
RFB
Difference of the two
Most streams are now done with shoutcast or icecast.
(don’t ask me what the difference is, I have no clue)
There isn’t any difference really. They both are of the mp3 format. Basically the only difference is the name….like Ford, Chevy, Dodge. They all refer to one common thing…a vehicle…only the names change..but the faces are the same so to speak. 🙂
RFB
Finding WMA listings
if you stream in WMA V9, where do people go to find it? Is it good?
Well, they wont be listed on directories like Shoutcast. Shoutcast only lists mp3/mp3-pro/AAC stream formats. Many other station directory listings also do not list WMA and even ra (Real Audio) stream formats. Those two are quite specific to their own little worlds..and they are little.
The terms “push” and “pull” mean this:
“Push” refers to sending your encoding data to a separate server system, similar as a co-located DNAS shoutcast type server, but an mp3 server cannot work a WMA encoded format. It works on the same principle of leasing a server located elsewhere and you encode to that server, the listeners tune in to that co-located server’s IP address.
“Pull” refers to a setup where your computer running the encoder program also serves as the server that people tune into. No co-located server is used in this. That means that the listening public tunes to YOUR IP address. Now that can be a very serious problem especially if you do not sport a connection on the level of at least a T-3. Also it leaves yourself wide open to potential hack attacks and DOS attacks (Denial Of Service), which DOS attacks are simply over-requesting a server a bunch of times over a short period that the server never catches up and totally locks up everything on the network, both WAN and LAN. It is basically like not having an ISP or internet connection at that point. Usually the only cure to that is for the ISP to change your IP address. Also for pull configurations or running your own server on your own IP address, you have to allow your firewalls, both software and hardware (routers) to have a constant open port for the outside world to connect to your local server, again leaving yourself wide open to attack and hack. Not a good way to run things these days.
RFB
Mobile Device Audience
It seems that somewhere RFBurns commented about modern people with no attention spans, and that describes what I think about the mobile device crowd. The public is overflowing with cellphone yackers in speeding SUVs. They are unhappy with where they are, so they’re always aiming somewhere else, and when they get there they talk to other people elsewhere on the phone to make plans for future times in still other places, that will only be desirable to them until they get there at which time they’ll start to leave while phoning ahead.
The idea that this scrambled mob of spastics will pay much attention to streaming TV, movies or radio on their devices turns the spotlight on developers who are “going there” by creating menus connecting to every stream in the universe.
While running streaming radio stations on a home website to a small batch of possible listeners + simulcasting on low power AM & FM is not drawing crowds, it seems to me that getting a signal into the crowd on iTunes would amount to a much wider stage for being ignored.
Ignored But On The Board
it seems to me that getting a signal into the crowd on iTunes would amount to a much wider stage for being ignored.
How many ignore those huge signs along the highways that say “Food, Gas, Lodging” but turn at the exit and check into a room, pick up the phone and order a pizza?
It may not be given notice but for only a fraction of a second…the wink of an eye…but that is incredibly powerful when it comes to implanting a message into the sub-conscious…which becomes automatic without having to look, it becomes second nature. The sign still remains. As does your listing on iTunes for more to ignore and know its there.
RFB
Trying To Get AAC+
RFBurns I hope you check this entry… my ISP choose tonight to shut down e-mail for maintenance……
Shoutcast DPS Source V. 1.9.0 installed
It DOES stream mp3 as always.
But although the AAC+ Encoder shows up under V1 and V 2 with checkboxes, neither version will actually stream. Yes the DSP Source makes a connection to Shoutcast Directory, but the “Bytes Streamed” number does not increase from zero and a player connection to the stream connects, but finds no audio.
Your email is working
Your emails did come through. ISP’s always find the perfect timing to perform maintenance when your trying to accomplish stuff…it never fails!
As to the AAC not sending bytes and no audio…this means that the encoder is not properly seeing the mapping performed by the sound card. Here is what you can do to further test things.
In your Winamp prefereces for dsp selections, un select the multi dsp by selecting “none” at the top of the list. Then after about 10 seconds to let winamp settle, select the Nullsoft dsp by itself. Then attempt to connect to the server and see if it begins to map data. If it does, then there is something with the multi-dsp that is preventing the AAC encoder from seeing data from the sound card. You may have to re-orient the order in which the multi-dsp plug in arranges things within it. I found this same issue with dsp stacker, another plug in which allows you to use multiple dsp plugs at the same time. Sometimes you have to have one thing in the list first before something else.
RFB