Part15

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Many of the part 15 members have websites, which means that the ISP (Internet Service Provider) is yet another piece of low power life.

Many of the part 15 members have websites, which means that the ISP (Internet Service Provider) is yet another piece of low power life.

Renewal time is coming up, so I am considering the options, of which I know very little.

What are the ISP experiences and advice that you might have?

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  2. Carl-
    Do you mean hosting
    Carl-

    Do you mean hosting provider? your ISP provides access to the internet to your home or business. The hosting provider would be the one to host your websites 🙂

    I’ve actually thought about the idea of selling subdomain hosting to part15’ers on the very cheap (subdomain meaning: http://yoursitename.part15.us/ ) would that be an idea that we as a community would like to explore?

    -steve

  3. Hosting
    Yes, madmage, I mean “hosting” and I am interested in your idea of providing a special service for part15ers. I think my present contract expires at the end of the year, so how soon might your service be up and running?

    I just found something very strange on 12 of my html web pages, in each case the least used or in fact un-used html pages that simply hadn’t been removed from the server. A chunk of code had gotten added to the pages with no identifiable characteristics. I removed it, but now wonder who put it there and what did it do? It means that an unknown entity gained access to my hosting site.

    I’m also curious about something very rarely discussed, running a hosting site straight from the home computer, just like my radio stream comes direct from the home computer. Are there any stories about home-based web sites?

    Oh, and about the other kind of ISP, like wdcx I also had telco DSL, but in this case the neighborhood wiring is very old and the signal constantly dropped. Now I have cable ISP and the neighborhood wiring is all newly installed, and it’s very stable. These things vary in different areas. But I am not going to change ISPs at this time, only thinking about changing hosting sites.

    • With Limitations, FREE is good
      There are several FREE webhosts out there. I started out using Tripod.com and still do for my Studio website. My radio station website is on 50webs.com which is also free.

      You’ll find the free services limit you on max upload file size and they don’t let you “front end load” which means you’re storing files on their server to be accessed from another webpage. They don’t get any advertisement revenue when that happens.

      Most free services give you a sub-domain name like mine (mram.50webs.com and miles.robert.audio.tripod.com). But if you don’t mind that, free is good. I like the 50webs host as they don’t place banner adds on the page as does Tripod and others.

      My XYL wanted her own domain name so she pays AT&T $12.95 a month for the hosting and maybe $5 or $10 a year to have the domain name. But, I’ve been using that host for my reallllllly big files since we’re paying for it. I even use it for a mirror site in case my host is offline.

      Search this site and you’ll probably find a list of free hosts and sounds like maybe this site may offer hosting also.

    • In a manual sense, I can set
      In a manual sense, I can set it up now. automated account setup? probably a long way off, if at all. i may want to keep a more personal touch to it, as others have pointed out, you can just go get free hosting someplace 🙂

      still working out those details on that.

      as for hosting out of your home computer(s) most ISPs list that as a no-no in their terms of service. with that said, I do it for a bunch of my low-traffic websites, mostly internal utility websites. this is a rarity, as most ISPs block the inbound http port, so you can’t actually do it. I’m lucky in that sense i guess, or someone at Comcast likes me. 🙂

      • I must be the oddball
        I was using http://www.webs.com and really haven’t had that much trouble with that host. But I wanted to host my own website on the same machine I stream shoutcast from just to be different.

        This also gives me more control over everything, from streaming to hosting, station controls and playlist’s. Since the computer is part of our LAN here at home i can access web pages for editing from another computer in another part of the house.

        My domain name is provided by GoDaddy.com and i have it pointed to my computer hosting the servers. It isn’t for the faint of heart. Hosting a website on your computer at home or from the office needs a reliable internet connection (our isp is questionable) some knowledge of nameservers, dns, security and lots of patience.
        It is quite possible that I used up a years worth of patience in one day lol.

        But i like it this way and so far it works great. Now if i get a a few visitors at one time and nothing crashes or goes up in smoke, ill be allowed to brag a little. lol

        Do a lot of research before taking on a d-i-y hosting project.
        If you want more information on what software and services i used to achieve this, I will be more than happy to list links and offer advice.

        Url is http://www.rock957.net
        Good Luck

  4. Fan Fab
    Well, that’s “Fantastic Fabulous,” because everything that’s been said about my original question has actually helped me think it through (about hosting providers).

    I love part15.us because it literally offers a jury of peers who help sincerely with whatever is asked. In this case Rock957 was the jurist who tipped the scales of justice by explaining how complicated self-hosting is. With only 2-months until the present contract runs out it is no time for complicated.

    Decision: Renew for one year, DURING WHICH TIME experimental websites can be tried such as free services and home tinkering.

    I enjoy talking about things I know nothing about. And this has been one of them.

    • On Streaming Your Own
      I also use Shoutcast. With ADSL, part of the problem is the IP address is not static. It can change periodically so that makes it hard to put a link out there to the stream.

      I use a free IP redirect called DYNDNS. A utility runs on my PC which monitors my IP address. If it changes, the new address is uploaded automatically to the redirect service. That way the URL link is always good even if MY IP address changes.

      My uplink is limited to around 250 kb/s so that limits the number of listeners I can have; maybe 3 or 4. But, I rarely get more than that.

      I stream my radio station program and local NOAA WX on separate streams. The NOAA stream gets way more hits.

      The links are mms://mram.gotdns.com:8000 and mms://mram.gotdns.com:8090 .

      For Winamp users: http://mram.gotdns.com:8000/listen.pls and http://mram.gotdns.com:8090/listen.pls

      So, if your listener base is very small, you can do your own streaming.

  5. Hi MRAM
    MRAM, we are about the same since I stream from the home computer and also use DNS (Dynamic Name Server) because of a dynamic numeric IP address.

    My question in this thread is about an actual host site or web site, for which I now pay annually. I’m curious about running a website from home, but have been told it’s not easy to do.

    Getting back to the DNS device, it appears you’ve mastered using that to create a working stream address. I’ve been updating my numeric IP constantly because I’m not sure the DNS is allowing people to connect. I can’t test it from here because I don’t know how to set up a loopback, and I get a “server not available” when I try to monitor my own stream. I can monitor it with the numeric IP because that taps into the LAN.

    • Done a bit of that
      I have done quite a bit of my own ultra low volume hosting and it’s fun!

      My ISP is Comcast and I pay a small additional monthly fee (around $5.00) to have up to five IPs for five different connections to the broadband network. These IPs are not static, but generally change only when a PC has been off line for a few days. Several installers have advised me that as long as I don’t mind the 384 kbps throttle on the upload rate, Comcast isn’t concerned about very low volumes of server use.

      My first effort was in 2002, “garage band” music, with an oddcast encoded mono 22kbps stream hosted on an old 266 MHz pc. I seldom had more than one listerner and I guess I could have handled up to 8 or 10 without any problem.

      Next I connected the “line in” on the sound card in a 350 MHz PC to an AM radio earphone jack and streamed my own station at 28 kbps using winmedia encoder 7. That was cool because you set up an mms://111.222.333.444 formatted link an the user’s winmedia player pops right up and your stream is playing.

      I served my own website using a windows based webserver freeware application and as long as I didn’t have more than two or three listeners at a time and a few dozen visits per week, no problem. Again, the IP didn’t change on its own more than once or twice in a year. I used godaddy and forwarded my scwis.com addy to my host PC Comcast IP.

      Two yeas ago I started streaming my police scanner using a 2.4 GHz pc and winmedia encoder 9 at 19 kbps. Worked great, had 3 – 6 listeners most of the time, used google analytics and saw I had 10 – 15 visitors per week, low density content so I wasn’t serving too many MBs a month.

      All in all, huge fun and not a peep from Comcast.

      • Home Hosting
        I’ve not tried hosting webpages from my home PC, only the streaming audio.

        Except for the “throttle” on the upload bandwidth, seems like it should be do-able. Of course I suppose it may be more likely to get hacked without some precautions.

        The DYN-DNS service I use is 100% reliable so far. They put the numeric IP that my utility uploads to them with the URL address they give me and I haven’t had a problem yet.

        I’ll have to play with the idea of hosting a page to see what’s involved.

  6. Been Helped Well
    To MRAM 1500 and SCWIS and others commenting on this thread:

    The clue about DNS the utility has solved my uncertainty about whether it was working, and it is now installed and worked perfectly, once and for all solving the problem of the dynamic IP.

    The tip about buying extra IP addresses is a whole new concept that I didn’t know was possible, and that opens up an entire Idea City.

    Also, MRAM1500, I’ve been tuning into your stream, and what good audio you have. I realize you’re a recording professional, but on the other hand some licensed radio stations don’t have very good sounding streams, so you definitely know the art.

    You might be interested that on the DNS website

    http://dyndns.com

    I saw mention that it is possible to host a website from one’s home computer, so I’ll dig deeper and say what else they say about it. Maybe they’ve got a tool for that purpose.

    • Taken a Chance here
      After the questions about home hosting I did a little looking and found a FREE SERVER program called Savant.

      It pretty much is a load and run with no setup other than putting your “index.html” page in the Savant “root” directory.

      If you are behind a router you have to open port 80 for the PC running the server software.

      I’m sure there are issues regarding hacker protection of which again I would have to research. But as curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought it back – so I have installed Savant and put a very simple opening page on my PC. After opening the port the page can be viewed on the internet at http://mram.gotdns.com/index.html .

      I don’t know if my router affords protection. If anyone has the answer regarding hacker protection…

      • Red Alert
        Well, it worked. I could access the page from a different location. But, when I look at the log files I see some things that I’m not quite sure about.

        So for safety reasons I’m shutting it down until I determine what I’m seeing in the log files. It may be nothing but then again…

  7. Breaking New Ground
    Wow MRAM your experiment in home web-siting is exciting.

    I hope you’ll be doing more experiments and reporting what you learn.

    A home web site is very part 15.

    • Condition ORANGE
      The page is online again but I’m watching the logs.

      I think what I saw was nothing more than a “bot” or a “spider” checking out the page. As the link is posted on Part15, one of those apps may have been checking it out.

      • The Hits Keep Coming
        The page is slowly evolving. I’ve added pictures and some links, one to my audio stream, one for a FREE download of WinAmp to listen to my stream and one to email me.

        I’ve had one reply from the email link on the page.

        So far, besides my own veiwing, I have logged several hits on the page including another “robot”.

        Of course, this requires the PC to be on all the time.

        Speaking of webhits, I’ve added a MAP that shows who’s visited my main webpage. For the most recent map, click on the map.

        • 100 milliWatts of Gratitude
          My original question about alternative hosting services has been so quickly responded by everyone, especially MRAM 1500 with a working model of a home-based hosting site.

          I’ll throw in a technical question that now arises:

          WHEREAS the MRAM example depends on a “virtual” domain name supplied by Dynamic DNS, and I have established such a name (kdx.hobby-site.org) which compensates for the problem of having a dynamic IP numeric address that changes,

          WHAT IF one were to re-assign an actual bought and paid-for domain name, e.g., kdxradio.com, to a home-made hosting site? Would that not put one back into the position of needing a STATIC numeric IP address?

          PUTTING IT ANOTHER WAY, could a formal domain name be assigned to seek a virtual domain name? OR do all domain names require assignment to numeric IP addresses?

          I told you it was technical.

          • Here’s a recommendation for
            Here’s a recommendation for you.

            If you’re running your webpage from home on Windows or OS X, use the Abyss webserver. Its quite easy to setup, easy to run, and pretty darned secure. It also supports scripting, such as PHP, Perl and Python, so you can run all manner of apps and CMS packages, that is if you even want to get that advanced. 😉

            Aprelium Abyss:
            http://www.aprelium.com/

            Now, If you’re on a unix-based os (including OS X) and you’re a bit daunted by the crazy amount of text files you need to edit to get Apache working correctly and safely, I recommend you check out the LiteSpeed webserver.

            http://litespeedtech.com/litespeed-web-server-editions.html

            Standard edition is free, and its FAST! Very fast!

            I use both of these, besides the good-old-standby of Apache.

            I’d be glad to help out with your home-hosting experimentation. 🙂

          • Let’s Try A Different Server Program
            After adding pictures and links the page is a bit slower to load. Could just be my PC.

            I don’t like some of the cryptic stuff I’m seeing in the logs such as “NHAP1” which I find is a remote command to interrogate the host. Primarily used for managing routers and such but who knows what someone is looking for. Fortunately it appears as though Savant sends out an error “404” code.

            Still though, one error code not listed in the Savant error codes pops up now and then.

            Sooooo, based on madmage’s recommendation I’m now trying Abyss.

            The GUI console is much different. It has a nice real time statistics page. There are also several log files similar to Savant logs. And as stated, it’s very easy to install and run.

            I’ll see how it goes. In the meantime, check out THE PAGE and let me know how it works for you.

  8. Great Experience
    We owe much to MRAM for testing the various home-hosting softwares, and the new trial site using Abyss works very quickly and looks good.

    The wonderful payback for starting this thread by asking about home-hosting has been tremendous. I am already inventing a purpose for a home-hosted site which I’ll blog about in more detail as the launch date comes near.

      • A Learning Experience
        It appears the PC running the web server had some difficulties today so the page was off line for a while.

        I don’t think it was a hack, just an intermittent problem with the PC.

        I have moved the files to a different machine so we’ll see how it goes.

        I like the “eXtreME Tracker” app running on the page. It provides reports on usage. I really like the cool world map that shows where visitors are located in a visual manner on the map. Just click on the map at the bottom of the page and the real time map opens to display who’s been visiting.

        • Must – Sleep –
          Gahhh, can’t stop tinkering…

          I’ve placed an embeded sound byte on the page.

  9. SCWIS Said Something
    SCWIS said something very interesting which I now copy and paste…

    “My ISP is Comcast and I pay a small additional monthly fee (around $5.00) to have up to five IPs for five different connections to the broadband network.”

    Now back to me. The more I think about this the less I can figure out what could be done or how to do it. First, can one computer access five IPs, or is a different computer required for each connection. Do you put a five way splitter on your cable or DSL?

    Now back over to you.

    • Yep, it’s a five way splitter (actually 8)
      Good questions Carl.

      The splitter is called a dumb hub, because it has no routing or switching capability, and yes, I connect multiple PCs – or more specifically, network interface cards (NICs). Theoretically the NICs could all be in the same PC, but that would be a very busy PC.

      So, let’s look at the big picture for a moment.

      Comcast connects to my home on a big bus-style network. The coaxial cable goes to a modem in my house and the modem connects to the Cat 5 cable and that goes in the NIC on my PC

      Once the physical connection is established, a PC attempts to connect to the information exchange level of the network by introducing itself to the Dynamic Host Control Protocol (DHCP) server and requesting an IP address.

      Some networks assign a specific IP (Static) and that’s your internet address forever, but Comcast (and most ISPs) don’t do that. Instead, you get an IP assigned when you connect and then that address is given to another PC when you disconnect.

      The Comcast DHCP server checks the number of IPs issued by the ID in my modem. When I pay the extra fee, I am allowed up to five IPs going in and out of my modem.

      The next problem is “How do I connect five PCs when there is only one Cat 5 connector on the back of the modem?”

      That’s where my friend Mr. Dumb Hub comes in. The hub is connected to the single Cat 5 connector on the back of the modem and it presents eight Cat 5 connectors to my house. The hub is the traffic cop that makes sure the right network traffic goes to the right PC using the Machine Access Code (MAC) on each NIC.

      Now, when I plug in five PCs to the dumb hub, the first PC can go to the DHCP server and say “Hi! My name is AE40 I7 H0 12 (MAC Number) and I would like and IP address.” and the DHCP server says “OK, AE 40 I7 H0 12, your IP is 123.456.789.123.” Then the hub makes a note on its reference table to remember that MAC number AE40 I7 H0 12 is on connector number one.

      The other four each introduce themselves, provide their MAC numbers and each get their own, different, IP and the fun begins.

      When any of the PCs I have connected are active on line, the PC will send info by saying “Hi! This is MAC number such and such, at IP address so and so, and I want to connect to URL whatever.”

      Remember that the URL is just a human-readable name cross-referenced to another IP number, so it’s one IP asking to talk to another IP.

      When information comes back to my network, the incoming information is coded to say “When you get to Kevin’s hub, go only to the PC with the IP address so and so” and the hub checks it’s internal reference table and says “Oh, that traffic goes to Cat 5 connector #1” and sends the info to the PC connected there.

      How is this different that a Router? A Router is a little faker, who tells the DHCP server that there is no one here but one MAC number, which it shows to the Comcast network as a single connection and single IP address. No additional fee required!

      Then the Router, which also has multiple Cat 5 connections for multiple PCs, redirects its internet network traffic to the PC to which the Router has assigned an internal IP number based on the local PC’s MAC, so the Router can still sort out the traffic without requesting multiple IPs from the Comcast DHCP server.

      The problem a Router creates for streaming or serving a locally hosted web page is that the traffic now has to negotiate two DHCP servers, one at Comcast and one at my house, which usually results in a resounding “HUH?” There are ways to deal with that, but it’s just so much easier to have an IP at the ISP level for streaming and serving – that always works.

      At this point, you are probably sorry you asked 🙂

      • Great walk through…
        SCWIS…thanks for the great walk through. At least now, I have a different color of (clear as) mud. It all makes sense, really. That might be a little frightening, but I like it. Thank you.

        I use a static IP for my full time stream because the remote online broadcast server requires it. Without DHCP, (static IP) whenever the online circuit fails for whatever reason, the streaming software and server are able (via software) to repair the connection automatically. Your explanation helps to more clearly define the differences between PUSH and PULL streams and streaming servers.

        Additionally, I use a network switcher (hub) behind a router connected to the modem and WiFi radio transceiver to the ISP network servers.

        Your explanation clears up some the issues on how that process happens. And when you live out in the pucker-brush, internet reliability is always suspect. My local ISP is a radio link (WiFi) internet provider which makes things even more interesting due to traffic conflicts on the local radio net and data trunk connection to the outside world.

        Just a quick question: How will “cloud” computing (remote data storage and retrieval) change the scenarios presented here so far?

  10. Question of Ports
    MRAM 1700 on your experimental web page have a choice of Winamp Stream or Windows Media Player (WMP) Stream, either one carrying the same programming on the same port (8090).

    But the Winamp stream comes from a Shoutcast Server and the WMP stream comes from a Microsoft Media Server (MMS).

    Therefore two different servers seem to be streaming over one port.

    I thought that each server needed a distinct and separate port number.

    What explains this mystery?

    • Specific Link tells which Player to OPEN
      There is only one stream. It is generated by the ShoutCast streaming software plugin and server.

      I have two different links because each player requires a slightly different format for the stream address, or so it seems.

      WinAmp looks for the file name listen.pls at the specified port. If the file name is omitted you will open the ShoutCast admin page for the stream.

      MediaPlayer doesn’t know what to do with the listen.pls file name but, using the mms (Microsoft Media Server) prefix, pathname and port number, MediaPlayer can play the stream. Some versions of MediaPlayer won’t play it. Perhaps they don’t have the proper codecs.

      Since I like WinAmp but most PC’s come with MediaPlayer, I cover both bases.

      PS-The stream is currently offline as my hard drive crashed. I should have it back up tomorrow 11/13/10.

      • Step Right Up-Who’ll be Next to Home Host?
        Per my BLOG entry, everything is back online for the moment.

        So, who’s next? Has anyone loaded up to try the Home Hosting?

        I haven’t had any known attempts to hack the page, just some robot inquiries. The fellow in our City’s I.S. department, Webmaster for the City’s website, seemed to feel I’m reasonably safe. He only advised that as I’m running Windows I need to be current on MicroSoft security updates.

        On the PLUS side, I’ve learned that my router has the capability to update my DYNDNS service automatically so I no longer need to run the updater utility on the PC. That should eliminate any update delays as the router updates as soon as the IP address changes whereas the updater utility could take up to five minutes.

        • Home Hoster Someday
          This thread has been the most educational for me, starting with the originating question that started it, asking about internet hosting options. From knowing nothing we now know something, which is always a sign of education at work.

          Can’t promise to be the next home hoster, as I hope there will be several, but have set a deadline off in the future by which a home hosted website will go online. All thanks to the crew here at part 15.

          Oh, and I’m not done asking questions. Get your answers ready.

          • Too Much Time On Their Hands
            Regarding the Home Hosting experiment, I’ve been checking the server access log file daily and “they” are out there, Hackers that is!

            Fortunately it would seem that so far the Abyss server software has stood up to the probing.

            Checking one hacks IP address, it comes back to Bejeng China. Automated hacks I would guess, they send numerous attempts to find back door entry to PHP and SQL commands. Here is a short list of their attempts:

            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:42 -0500] “GET /p/m/a/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:42 -0500] “GET /PMA2005/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:43 -0500] “GET /pma2005/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:44 -0500] “GET /phpmanager/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:44 -0500] “GET /php-myadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:45 -0500] “GET /phpmy-admin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:45 -0500] “GET /webadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:46 -0500] “GET /sqlweb/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:47 -0500] “GET /websql/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:47 -0500] “GET /webdb/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:48 -0500] “GET /mysqladmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:48 -0500] “GET /mysql-admin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:49 -0500] “GET /pmy/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:50 -0500] “GET /published/wbsadmin/html/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:51 -0500] “GET /wbsadmin/html/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:51 -0500] “GET /vhcs2/tools/pma/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:52 -0500] “GET /tools/pma/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:53 -0500] “GET /phpadmin/phpMyAdmin-2.11.4/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:53 -0500] “GET /phpMyAdmin-2.11.4/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:54 -0500] “GET /administrator/phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:55 -0500] “GET /Admin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:55 -0500] “GET /phpmyadmin_old/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:56 -0500] “GET /phpmyadmino-ld/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:57 -0500] “GET /test/phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”
            210.21.221.156 – – [24/Nov/2010:09:38:57 -0500] “GET /my/phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php HTTP/1.1” 404 400 “” “ZmEu”

            That’s a very small section of this hacks attempts. If you type in their IP (210.21.221.156) it opens a page that says only “It Works!”.

            I’ve reciprocated by sending back several of the requests to their server.