After reading http://www.part15.us/node/3302 Texas part 15 tour and http://www.part15.us/node/3298 Florida part 15 tour post’s i couldn’t help but wonder, has any of the part 15 stations in Florida or Texas ever considered creating a cluster of syndicated stations?
That is carry the same programming, creating a network out of their part 15 AM stations even taking turns providing programming for their network?
It just seems like it would be cool to have other part 15 stations in the same state not necessarily in the same city carry a network feed all over the state.
If i knew of other part 15 stations in Kentucky i would attempt this myself. Sort of what was proposed for the LW project.
Just a thought..
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Vanilla Ice – Ice Ice Baby
I did that!…Kinda
I kinda did that.
The Crow is on 2 stations at this type, The Original in Texas and on another in Indiana. We share programming, though not a complete simulcast.
There’s Another Crow to be in Burlington, IA as well.
Certainly not exactly what you said, But The Crow is a little widespread network in a way.
1 station orginiating programming
my station is just its own self, i don’t have anybody simulcasting with me and my station (because im probably more of a local flavor serving my hometown)but maybe i will in a few years from now you never know
Road Blocks
Stations that are 100% part 15 broadcasters with no internet stream have greater freedom, in my viewpoint, than stations who also stream over the internet. This is because of the entirely different copyright requirements.
Part 15 radio can be viewed as “personal listening” which does not violate copyright law because each individual has a right to listen to his/her own recordings.
But streaming stations are “public” because they can be heard anywhere in the world, and become liable to subscribe to copyright licenses.
This puts a roadblock in acting as a network, being carried by both kinds of station.
Also, and this is a second road block, a network is no longer personal and becomes a public form of broadcasting, also requiring the necessary copyright and permissions for every program and recording.
Tricky
“Part 15 radio can be viewed as “personal listening” which does not violate copyright law because each individual has a right to listen to his/her own recordings.”
No where in the copyright laws does it say people have a right to listen to their own music via a radio signal.
As of late, I would not “assume” anything regarding copyright issues. And the trend today is to change the entire playing field..and not in our favor.
RFB
Useless Discussion
I understand you, RFB, that listening to a “personal radio station” is not necessarily a safe-harbor.
Any discussion held by reasonable people has no validity, up against the hostile and malicious nature of marauding pirates who would keep us alive only to bilk more booty from us at another time.
If you buy a recording, or download a newscast which is posted with the usual terms and conditions of being “for individual use but not for re-distribution,” the common person listens on loudspeakers or an mp3 portable device. Redistribution?
If the whole family is home we might be playing our personal audio for a crowd of people, is that a “public performance?”
FM transmitters are being used in cars to play personal mp3s over the car radio. Redistribution?
There’s no conclusion to be reached in this thread, but I would say the idea of a low power radio network has many legal questions.
Debatable
“There’s no conclusion to be reached in this thread, but I would say the idea of a low power radio network has many legal questions.”
Well as to the “networking” of Part 15 broadcast stations there would indeed be legal issues in as far as what content the network of Part 15 broadcast stations carry.
“If you buy a recording, or download a newscast which is posted with the usual terms and conditions of being “for individual use but not for re-distribution,” the common person listens on loudspeakers or an mp3 portable device. Redistribution? “
Perhaps..perhaps not. Depends on what the individual does beyond the legal term “for individual use only, not for redistribution”.
“If the whole family is home we might be playing our personal audio for a crowd of people, is that a public performance?”
Your personal dwelling is not a public place. Personal audio or the big game on the big screen in the living room with friends over for pizza and spirits…is that a public performance too?
“FM transmitters are being used in cars to play personal mp3s over the car radio. Redistribution?”
The FM transmitters being used in cars to play mp3’s on the car radio are sending the FM signal either through the 12VDC cigarette lighter jack or through a very short wire where the signal barely hits 20 feet….obviously designed to put the audio onto the car radio your in and not send it to everyone’s car radio within a few hundred feet.
See here is where the copyright stuff gets tricky because there is a huge difference in an FM transmitter, or AM transmitter intended to send a very very low power signal directly into a car radio via the antenna connection or CC via the vehicle’s wiring to send audio to the car radio, which is not “broadcasting”.
But a Ramsey FM transmitter or Hamilton or ProCaster or SSTran or EDM or CZH..etc etc..all tied to an antenna intended to send that signal beyond the confines of a direct coax connection or inductive coupling into the receiver IS both technically and legally defined as “broadcasting”.
If there aren’t any conclusions, well at least there is plenty of room for debating.
ADD: Well there is also room for discussing a network of Part 15 stations carrying original created works..such as your LPH program.
BTW, are those music bumpers and themes from a radio production compilation that are paid for or downloaded “public domain” files…or are they original works created by you using computer synthesizers and MIDI interfaced electronic instruments?
Ahh….the devil is in the details..isn’t it!
RFB
How do you sue a moving violator?
I wonder how the copyright enforcers are going to punish people driving a car blasting rap music so loud on their car stereos that you hear the bass before you see the car?
Isn’t that also a violation of copyright laws?
I can hear it and i am not their family or friend, nor did i choose to hear that garbage. But like it or not i must endure this agony everywhere i go. Why aren’t the 3000+ watt boom cars breaking any copyright laws. The way i see the laws is you can listen to whatever you want but you better not share it with anyone at anytime unless your willing to pay heft fee’s to do so.
Enforcement of a moving vehicle with a loud stereo is difficult enough for law enforcement to enforce but your never going to see a SOPA or PIPA in a police cruiser busting loud stereos blasting the garbage they call rap these days.
But if they could enforce it, i would applaud the record companies for making my neighborhood peaceful once more.
How do you sue a moving violator?
I wonder how the copyright enforcers are going to punish people driving a car blasting rap music so loud on their car stereos that you hear the bass before you see the car?
Isn’t that also a violation of copyright laws?
I can hear it and i am not their family or friend, nor did i choose to hear that garbage. But like it or not i must endure this agony everywhere i go. Why aren’t the 3000+ watt boom cars breaking any copyright laws. The way i see the laws is you can listen to whatever you want but you better not share it with anyone at anytime unless your willing to pay heft fee’s to do so.
Enforcement of a moving vehicle with a loud stereo is difficult enough for law enforcement to enforce but your never going to see a SOPA or PIPA in a police cruiser busting loud stereos blasting the garbage they call rap these days.
But if they could enforce it, i would applaud the record companies for making my neighborhood peaceful once more.
Sorry i got off topic again.
Let’s Be Vigilantes and Take Care of It
I read a study that said low frequency energy can interfere with the brain and slow down reaction time. That could spell life and death on the road when we are alongside a boom blaster.
I say we gang around them with a convoy of quiet cars and do something to their voice coils and push-pulls.
We could wear capes and orange/green suits. “Captain 15 of the Low Frequency Police.”
And I’m not kidding.
We must remain vigilant
Sorry that posted twice, dunno how i did that.
There are just so many ridiculous laws out there these days that pretty soon folks will be afraid to pass gas for fear of violating some crazy anti-flatulence law. It will only get worse.
Never have i seen so many laws cranked out of Washington as we have seen here in the past i don’t know 10 years??
But anyways, back to the original topic.
I guess a part 15 station operator needs to check and double check the materials they air which would make start up radio networks tough to do.
My station airs programs (podcast’s) that i personally asked the producers for their permission to air, even some of the Independent musicians i play on air have said yes, by all means. And i made it a point to save the emails so that if i ever had to show proof i would only have to print out the email. Creative Commons even get an email just to be sure, but there is some material that would probably get me into trouble.
Programming these part 15 stations is a challenge that’s for sure.
Carl, i couldn’t get a spandex superhero outfit so i guess a shirt that says super dad will have to do. lol
Another study about low frequencys shows that bass at high volumes can cause irregular heart beats and aggressive behavior.
Quiet Cars Surrounding Noisy Ones
Can I ride my bicycle?
Bruce (The Only) DOGRADIO STUDIO 2
Opportunity
“I say we gang around them with a convoy of quiet cars and do something to their voice coils and push-pulls.”
Let them blast theirs and their kids ear drums…by the time both parent and child reach 20 years later, my stocks in Bel-Tone hearing aids will go up…as will the number of YOUNG folk requiring hearing aids!
RFB